GMMG's at Auction - 2014

[daytonajim]

Auction results on a few Cars



2002 ZL1 #7 bid to $85k - bid goes on



2002 ZL1 #60 (Nickey) bid to $95k - bid goes on



1969 Fathom Green #65 ZL1 bid to $350k - bid goes on (last auction bid to $410k)



The owners know what these cars are worth & are not letting them go cheap. Good for them - keep the prices up where they should be.



I've said it before & I'll say it again. Your GMMG's are going up in price vs. where they were a couple of years ago. - hold out & don't give them away.



What do you think? What would you sell your GMMG for?



Jim

[4th Gen Camaro Addict]

NONE OF MINE ARE FOR SALE ! ! ! ! ! !



Jim, you and I both agree that prices on GMMG cars have been depressed and that is why we have been adding to our stables rather than thinning them out. In your case, you've been selling and then buying to improve the quality of your stable.

[daytonajim]

Harley (KDawgFilmz) dropped off the 2014 Mecum brochure with ZL1 #60 info.



Very cool. Thanks Harley. Enjoy. Jim



ZL1 #60 may be at 2014 Mecum Indy? Please add to this thread as info becomes available.







2002 ZL1 #60 (Nickey) bid to $95k -bid goes on .... I agree, it's worth more than this.







Bid goes on @ $50k... JD follows these cars.







Serial # 002 - Bid goes on @ $95k.... I feel owner should have taken the money on this one.

[2002Z4CSS]

That Brickyard 400 is VIN #2 that Scott Settlemire was supposed to buy for himself. It paced the Brickyard 400 with VIN #1 but is not counted in the 45 cars that GM produced. It is the only coupe and the only 6 speed Brickyard 400.

[GMMG ZL1 41]

GOOD INFO ON THE BRICKYARD CAR. I WOULD HAVE SOLD AT 95K ALL DAY LONG!

[68 RSSS Ragtop]

Thanks for following up on all the cool information on the cars in this thread.



Not to be a wet blanket, but I did want to mention, our cars are certainly cool and collectible, but what I see our cars lacking is racing history. That ZL-1 #65, went from showroom to track and made a name for itself. Our cars went from showroom to collectors garages. I'm hoping I'm wrong, so does anyone know where a GMMG car went to a team to compete? That's where I see the reasoning behind the current "Soft market" for our cars. I'm sure they'll increase in value as collector cars, but as storied race cars...???



Matt was happy to hear when I told him my car had almost 60000 miles on it. He said he was hoping to build a car that was going to be driven. He expressed he was hoping to emulate the Nickey's and Yenko's of the 60's by having his customers taking their cars and campaigning them at the track. Doesn't deem like a lot of that happened. (Feel free to move this to another thread is necessary)

[2002Z4CSS]

That Brickyard 400 was supposed to be Scott Settlemire's but some how GM kept him from buying it. It paced the field but is not included in the actual Brickyard 400 count since it it not numbered.

[daytonajim]

A few photos from the archives......... I assume this is BY #2?



It's the only 'real' BY coupe I find in my photos.







@ Indy







Any idea when & where this photo was taken? Other Car #'s?

[GMMG ZL1 41]

@68 RS/SS Ragtop wrote:Thanks for following up on all the cool information on the cars in this thread.



Not to be a wet blanket, but I did want to mention, our cars are certainly cool and collectible, but what I see our cars lacking is racing history. That ZL-1 #65, went from showroom to track and made a name for itself. Our cars went from showroom to collectors garages. I'm hoping I'm wrong, so does anyone know where a GMMG car went to a team to compete? That's where I see the reasoning behind the current "Soft market" for our cars. I'm sure they'll increase in value as collector cars, but as storied race cars...???



Matt was happy to hear when I told him my car had almost 60000 miles on it. He said he was hoping to build a car that was going to be driven. He expressed he was hoping to emulate the Nickey's and Yenko's of the 60's by having his customers taking their cars and campaigning them at the track. Doesn't deem like a lot of that happened. (Feel free to move this to another thread is necessary)



I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE. I WOULD HOWEVER DISAGREE WITH THE RACE HISTORY PART. THINGS WERE DIFFERENT BACK IN THE 60'S. CHEVY,FORD AND DODGE/PLYMOUTH WERE BATTLING FOR DRAG STRIP SUPREMACY. VERY FEW PEOPLE IF ANYONE THOUGHT THOSE CARS WOULD BE WORTH WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. EVERYONE THOUGHT THE GMMG'S WOULD BE COLLECTIBLE IN PART TO THEIR LINK TO THE 60'S AND THAT KNOW WON KNEW IF THEY WOULD EVER MAKE ANOTHER CAMARO OR FIREBIRD. NOW MAGAZINES DO MOST OF THE TESTING ON MODERN DAY CARS. I THINK THE NEWER HIGH HORSEPOWER CARS OF TODAY ALONG WITH PEOPLE MAKING LESS MONEY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THIS THAN RACE HISTORY. NOW WHEN I SAY THIS I AM TALKING MORE ABOUT THE 380HP TO 500HP PLUS CARS. ESPECIALLY THE 380HP CARS. THE ZL1 AND DICK HARRELL CARS ARE MORE THAN HOLDING THERE OWN. HECK I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD SEE MANY ZR1 CORVETTES AND OTHER HIGH HORSEPOWER CAMAROS AT THE DRAG STRIP. WHEN PEOPLE ARE PAYING CLOSE TO AND ABOVE 100K FOR A CAR YOUR PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SEE THEM DRAG RACED AND THE ZL1'S AND DICK HARRELL CARS WERE IN THAT CATEGORY. NOT TO MENTION THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD THESE CARS TODAY ARE MOSTLY OLDER. I TOO WISH THEY HAD MORE DRAG TIMES ON ALL THE GMMG'S. SOME MAGAZINES DID TEST THESE CARS SO THERE WAS SOME STATS ON THESE CARS. MATT MURPHY HAS SAID THAT THE DICK HARRELL CARS WOULD RUN 10.50 TO 10.90 QUARTER MILES AND THE ZL1 WAS A LOW 11 SECOND TO HIGH 10 SECOND CAR. I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THESE BLACKBIRDS HAVE BEEN DRIVEN. THAT IS WHY IT'S HARD TO FIND ONE UNDER 5,000 MILES.

[Blackbird34]

@GMMG Blackbird wrote:@68 RS/SS Ragtop wrote:Thanks for following up on all the cool information on the cars in this thread.



Not to be a wet blanket, but I did want to mention, our cars are certainly cool and collectible, but what I see our cars lacking is racing history. That ZL-1 #65, went from showroom to track and made a name for itself. Our cars went from showroom to collectors garages. I'm hoping I'm wrong, so does anyone know where a GMMG car went to a team to compete? That's where I see the reasoning behind the current "Soft market" for our cars. I'm sure they'll increase in value as collector cars, but as storied race cars...???



Matt was happy to hear when I told him my car had almost 60000 miles on it. He said he was hoping to build a car that was going to be driven. He expressed he was hoping to emulate the Nickey's and Yenko's of the 60's by having his customers taking their cars and campaigning them at the track. Doesn't deem like a lot of that happened. (Feel free to move this to another thread is necessary)



I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE. I WOULD HOWEVER DISAGREE WITH THE RACE HISTORY PART. THINGS WERE DIFFERENT BACK IN THE 60'S. CHEVY,FORD AND DODGE/PLYMOUTH WERE BATTLING FOR DRAG STRIP SUPREMACY. VERY FEW PEOPLE IF ANYONE THOUGHT THOSE CARS WOULD BE WORTH WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. EVERYONE THOUGHT THE GMMG'S WOULD BE COLLECTIBLE IN PART TO THEIR LINK TO THE 60'S AND THAT KNOW KNEW IF THEY WOULD EVER MAKE ANOTHER CAMARO OR FIREBIRD. NOW MAGAZINES DO MOST OF THE TESTING ON MODERN DAY CARS. I THINK THE NEWER HIGH HORSEPOWER CARS OF TODAY ALONG WITH PEOPLE MAKING LESS MONEY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THIS THAN RACE HISTORY. NOW WHEN I SAY THIS I AM TALKING MORE ABOUT THE 380HP TO 500HP PLUS CARS. ESPECIALLY THE 380HP CARS. THE ZL1 AND DICK HARRELL CARS ARE MORE THAN HOLDING THERE OWN. HECK I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD SEE MANY ZR1 CORVETTES AND OTHER HIGH HORSEPOWER CAMAROS AT THE DRAG STRIP. WHEN PEOPLE ARE PAYING CLOSE TO AND ABOVE 100K FOR A CAR YOUR PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SEE THEM DRAG RACED AND THE ZL1'S AND DICK HARRELL CARS WERE IN THAT CATEGORY. NOT TO MENTION THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD THESE CARS TODAY ARE MOSTLY OLDER. I TOO WISH THEY HAD MORE DRAG TIMES ON ALL THE GMMG'S. SOME MAGAZINES DID TEST THESE CARS SO THERE WAS SOME STATS ON THESE CARS. MATT MURPHY HAS SAID THAT THE DICK HARRELL CARS WOULD RUN 10.50 TO 10.90 QUARTER MILES AND THE ZL1 WAS A LOW 11 SECOND TO HIGH 10 SECOND CAR. I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THESE BLACKBIRDS HAVE BEEN DRIVEN. THAT IS WHY IT'S HARD TO FIND ONE UNDER 5,000 MILES.



Like GMMG Blackbird commented on, the day of campaigning a factory backed , emissions certified car at the drag strip are just not going to happen today. For that reason the cars from the 60's may always have an edge on modern day muscle cars. As generations of car guys change though it wouldn't surprise me if the demand for the 60's muscle cars changes as well.

In my humble opinion the best way to see prices rise quicker on our GMMG's is to get more people aware of the cars in general. I attend car shows almost every weekend in the summer. Out of the few hundred people that stop and look at my car on any given weekend, maybe only a handful have heard of GMMG. I'll bet almost all of them have heard of Yenko though! Granted the Yenko name has had many more years to become what it is today and yes it does have a great racing heritage. Starting the Registry and the Forums here is a huge step in getting the accurate details and facts out to the public. A simple google search now for GMMG will bring up pages of information right off the Registry. High demand and a low quantity usually equals high prices on a collector car. We have the low quantity...we just need to create a little higher demand. It was great to see some GMMG's in a couple of recent magazine articles...that helps getting guys potentially interested. Even social media like Facebook would be another way to reach the masses. Maybe a simple GMMG Facebook page with pictures and information on how the cars came to be (emphasizing the tie with GM) might generate more interest? Getting the cars out to cruise nights or a show gets people talking and taking pictures too. I'm afraid so many of these great cars are in huge collections that no one will ever see them anymore? Secretly though I hope prices stay lower for just a little while longer so I can afford to add another GMMG to the garage!! :dance: